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#1 TimC

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 01:30 AM

So it recently came to my attention that - apparently - vinyl simply can't be mastered as hot/clipped as digital can. I.e. basically (I think) the needle wouldn't even track right. So now I'm curious - particularly with the original vinyl but I guess I'd be curious how the newer 180g one sounds too (er, that's probably the remaster though?) - does the vinyl master actually sound better, or is it still the same brick wall just not pressed very loud or... ?

 

(I.e. from what I was reading it sounded like by definition there is a different master for vinyl than CD for all kinds of reasons, not just CD can be louder. I wish I'd noted WHERE I was reading this but it was on a forum talking about the right version of some CD - probably the Hoffman forums - and I don't remember what CD/what post. It was only later that I kind of turned it over in my mind and thought about the question of VT.)



#2 Moving Target

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:23 AM

I imagine that when they tried to put VT on vinyl they ended up with a load of melted burned slag so they gave up.

#3 Slim

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 01:09 PM

There's a discussion on this on the Steve Hoffman music forums, from 2004:

 

https://forums.steve...yl-to-cd.34636/

 

It's not conclusive, but there's this:

 

"I'd heard that it was mixed with most of the limiting (or the dreaded "finalizer" plug-in) already put in. Such that the master, in whatever form it's in, is already mush."



#4 chemistry1973

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 02:05 PM

It’s the mix, not the mastering.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 03:51 PM

There's a discussion on this on the Steve Hoffman music forums, from 2004:

 

https://forums.steve...yl-to-cd.34636/

 

It's not conclusive, but there's this:

 

"I'd heard that it was mixed with most of the limiting (or the dreaded "finalizer" plug-in) already put in. Such that the master, in whatever form it's in, is already mush."

 

Mushy bricks:

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#6 TimC

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 03:55 AM

There's a discussion on this on the Steve Hoffman music forums, from 2004:

 

https://forums.steve...yl-to-cd.34636/

 

It's not conclusive, but there's this:

 

"I'd heard that it was mixed with most of the limiting (or the dreaded "finalizer" plug-in) already put in. Such that the master, in whatever form it's in, is already mush."

Thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for. And - sadly, what I was afraid of.



#7 Saint Ronnie

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 04:05 AM

I don't have the original vinyl just the re-mix version, which I think sounds quite good. The vinyl version of Time Machine Live though, is a disaster.


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#8 chemistry1973

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 12:44 PM

Time Machine Live is just so utterly bad sounding on almost every level.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:15 PM

Time Machine Live is just so utterly bad sounding on almost every level.


The gripe we have about that one is 'no fucking drums', if I remember correctly. Or was it, 'the drums sound like shit'?

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#10 chemistry1973

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:17 PM

When there are drums, they sound like shit. 

 

Weird, there are no drums but about 100 guitars playing at the same volume level.



#11 grep

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:17 PM

Ahh yes. Truncated Camera Eye too.

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#12 grep

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:19 PM

All those guitars because Lerxst needed to be louder than the keyboards....

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#13 chemistry1973

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 08:41 PM

All those guitars because Lerxst needed to be louder than the keyboards....

 

Yeah - made those Power Windows tracks sound horrible - the drums too.



#14 grep

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 12:40 AM

Yeah - made those Power Windows tracks sound horrible - the drums too.


They worked live though. Good memories.

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#15 chemistry1973

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 01:07 AM

They worked live though. Good memories.


That’s the rub. I loved the show when I saw it in LA. They were great.

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 01:00 PM

When there are drums, they sound like shit. 

 

Weird, there are no drums but about 100 guitars playing at the same volume level.

 

There hasn't been any good sounding drums ever since Neil switched to DW! 20 Years of DW crap.



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Posted 13 December 2018 - 02:03 PM

The coated heads on the DWs didn’t sound too bad, but yeah. My biggest issue has been his snare - since R30.

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 03:28 AM

Old drums good. New drums bad.

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#19 Moving Target

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 06:49 AM

The last Rush live album I bought was ATWAS in 1982. It sounded really good as I recall.

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Posted 15 December 2018 - 07:02 AM

Yeah, ATWAS and ESL have both held up really well.

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