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#1 Moving Target

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:11 PM

Inspired by SJS.

 

 

Monarch - Henry II.  Introduced trial by jury, curbed the powers of the clergy, conquered the entire British Isles and half of France

 

Woman:  Eleanor of Aquitaine.  Wife to Henry  II and very much his match.  UImmense welath and influence.  Mother to two Kings, and outlived both. Co-leader of the Second Crusade.

 

Best postwar PM - Attlee - set up the NHS, commissioned the British bomb, co-founder of NATO.

 

Shakespeare playJulius Caesar - a cracking political thriller

 

Dickens novel - A Tale of Two Cities

 

Album - either Revolver or Hunky Dory

 

Rock band - The Who

 

Science fiction TV series - Thunderbirds

 

Avengers girl - Honor Blackman

 

Doctor Who - Jon Pertwee

 

Aircraft - Supermarine Spitfire.  Or English Electric Lightning.  Or Panavia Tornada F3.  Too hard!

 

Fashion -  the smart version of the Mods.

 

Game of Thrones actor - Iain Glenn

 

 



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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:18 PM

Monarch - Robert The Bruce - his decisive victory over a larger English army at Bannockburn secured Scotland’s status as an independent country for another 400 years.
 
Woman:  Mary Somerville https://en.m.wikiped...Mary_Somerville
 
Best postwar PM - Attlee - for creating the NHS
 
Shakespeare play -  Hamlet
 
Dickens novel - Great Expectations
 
Album - Selling England by the Pound
 
Rock band - Led Zeppelin
 
Science fiction TV series - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
 
Avengers girl - Diana Rigg
 
Doctor Who - Jon Pertwee
 
Aircraft - I have a work connection to the Typhoon but it has to be the English Electric Lightning
 
Fashion -  Don’t care !!
 
Game of Thrones actor - Rory McCann


New category.
Scientist - James Clerk Maxwell. There are a lot to choose from and Newton is the obvious choice but Maxwell is remarkably under appreciated for someone whose theories of electromagnetism have led to so much of the modern world (including the WiFi you’re probably using to read this).
https://en.m.wikiped...s_Clerk_Maxwell

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:48 PM


 
Woman:  Mary Somerville https://en.m.wikiped...Mary_Somerville
 


New category.
Scientist - James Clerk Maxwell. There are a lot to choose from and Newton is the obvious choice but Maxwell is remarkably under appreciated for someone whose theories of electromagnetism have led to so much of the modern world (including the WiFi you’re probably using to read this).
https://en.m.wikiped...s_Clerk_Maxwell

 

 

Good call on Somerville.

 

Scientist:  Hard to go past Newton.  Or Darwin (or Wallace).  Or Babbage.  OK, I went past Newton.

 

Lightnings rule. 

 

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 06:14 PM

The UK's contributions to computer science - especially during WW2.


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#5 nickslikk2112

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:10 PM

The greatest things of all time are always British :)

Just sayin'...

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#6 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:33 PM

Shakespeare play -  Hamlet

Not a fan of Macbeth?


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First our declining morals slid, bit by bit, and then our very national spirit.  Then the collapse became greater and greater, and our principles began to go, until at last, it has come to this age, in which we can bear neither our crimes nor the cure for them.

 
 

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 10:08 PM

Not a fan of Macbeth?


I couldn’t decide between the two of them ;)

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 02:25 AM

Admittedly, I'm not qualified to respond, but here goes.

 

Monarch - Elizabeth I

 

Woman:  Florence Nightingale.  Probably many good choices here, but I read up on her recently and she was very impressive.

 

Best postwar PM - Margaret Thatcher.  No contest.

 

Shakespeare playKing Lear.  I admit that Hamlet is amazingly quotable, but the main character is hard to like.  Lear is another classic.

 

Dickens novel - I have never read Dickens.  (Ducks.)

 

Album - Abbey Road.  I'll be non-original here.  Though I may actually enjoy Let It Be more.

 

Rock band - The Beatles.  Obviously many good choices.

 

Science fiction TV series - Red Dwarf.  Limited in choices to what we get in the States, but even with that caveat, Red Dwarf was a ton of fun.

 

Avengers girl - I don't know what this category means.

 

Doctor Who - Tom Baker, if I remember the name correctly.  Wild hair, crazy scarves. 

 

Aircraft - I bow to MT's knowledge here.  As my grandfather flew out of a British airfield in WWII, I've always had a from afar appreciation for the RAF.

 

Fashion -  Dr. Who's scarves.

 

Game of Thrones actor - Never seen the show, but I will say I enjoyed Emilia Clarke in Solo: A Star Wars Story


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 02:34 AM




New category.
Scientist - James Clerk Maxwell. There are a lot to choose from and Newton is the obvious choice but Maxwell is remarkably under appreciated for someone whose theories of electromagnetism have led to so much of the modern world (including the WiFi you’re probably using to read this).
https://en.m.wikiped...s_Clerk_Maxwell

 

Very true.  Maxwell was a genius.  He also made underappreciated contributions to understanding color vision. 

 

I would take Newton by a hair, but Maxwell is right up there.  The short list would also include Halley, Darwin, and Turing.  Also Hodgkin and Huxley.


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 08:03 AM

Very true.  Maxwell was a genius.  He also made underappreciated contributions to understanding color vision. 
 
I would take Newton by a hair, but Maxwell is right up there.  The short list would also include Halley, Darwin, and Turing.  Also Hodgkin and Huxley.


Even less well known than his work on colour was his use of pure maths to demonstrate that the rings of Saturn must consist of small particles each independently orbiting the planet.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 02:33 PM

Avengers girl - I don't know what this category means.

 

The Avengers was a British spy-fi series from the 1960s, which enjoyed a brief revival in the mid-seventies.  It featured 'Man from the Ministry" John Steed who was supposedly thrown out of Eton for fighting with classmate and school bully James Bond.  Steed was allied with a number of attractive females including Honor Blackman and Dame Diana Rigg.  They were both karate experts.  Steed didn't do much fighting - he would trip the baddies up with his brolly so one of his girls could kick them unconscious. Though sometimes he would whack people over the head with his bowler, which was lined with armour plate and deflected bullets.

 

 

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I was more of an Honor man because she looked like she could handle herself better than Dame Diana did.

 

The series became an advert for British fashion.  There would be gratuitous shots of Dame Diana's shoes, for instance.



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Posted 16 September 2018 - 04:50 PM

Diana Rigg played Olenna Tyrell in Game of Thrones.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 05:43 PM

Diana Rigg played Olenna Tyrell in Game of Thrones.

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Best casting - ever. Natalie Dormer looks like she could indeed be her granddaughter.


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 05:49 PM

Diana Rigg does not have a granddaughter. So, here's a photo of her with her real daughter. Rachael Stirling. Looks like Natalie Dormer's cousin to me. :)


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 08:00 PM

Best postwar PM - Attlee - set up the NHS, commissioned the British bomb, co-founder of NATO.

 

Funnily enough I was going to respond to your comment about Attlee in the other thread - I would suggest that he's probably the worst Prime Minister in living memory, the man who lost the peace for us after Churchill had won the war.

 

He started the UK's descent into a dismal, corrosive world-owes-me-a-living culture that by the '70s had given rise to powerful trade unions dictating terms to elected governments, devastating British industry, exporting millions of jobs abroad and finally leaving piles of rat-infested rubbish clogging the streets while corpses were stacked up in empty factories because gravediggers were on strike. It was decades before Mrs Thatcher arrested and reversed the Sick Man of Europe's national decline, and without doubt it is she who holds the distinction you refer to here. In the final analysis, Attlee probably did more harm to this country than Hitler and Goering could have dreamed of.



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Posted 16 September 2018 - 09:02 PM

Funnily enough I was going to respond to your comment about Attlee in the other thread - I would suggest that he's probably the worst Prime Minister in living memory, the man who lost the peace for us after Churchill had won the war.

He started the UK's descent into a dismal, corrosive world-owes-me-a-living culture that by the '70s had given rise to powerful trade unions dictating terms to elected governments, devastating British industry, exporting millions of jobs abroad and finally leaving piles of rat-infested rubbish clogging the streets while corpses were stacked up in empty factories because gravediggers were on strike. It was decades before Mrs Thatcher arrested and reversed the Sick Man of Europe's national decline, and without doubt it is she who holds the distinction you refer to here. In the final analysis, Attlee probably did more harm to this country than Hitler and Goering could have dreamed of.


Saved my life. Without the NHS I would have certainly have died in infancy. My old Dad couldn’t have afforded the operation I needed. He would have faced the horror of burying me in a tiny coffin. Thanks, Clem.

You have to ask what Britain would be like without him. Lower life expectancy, terrible infant mortality, slum housing, mass poverty. His health, welfare, housing and education reforms improved quality of life for millions, out of recognition.

We can’t seem to get worker-capital relations right in the U.K. Either they are too powerful as in the 1970s and could topple governments, or impotent since Thatcher leading to long term wage reduction, no job security and the return of poverty. The Germans got it right - union leaders sit on the boards of their manufacturing giants.

If we “lost the peace” it was because we don’t continually invest in infrastructure and key skills - STEM and nursing - like the French and Germans and Scandis. Now they are forging ahead and we have the lowest growth in the G8 because all we do is cut costs instead of creating long-term value. All of them are to the left of us politically.

(On Attlee again, it’s interesting to hear young socialists hold him up as a paragon, when he had the real austerity - food rationing and make-do-and-mend - followed America into as Asian war, and commissioned the bomb. These days he’d get deselected.)

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 09:03 PM

The Avengers was a British spy-fi series from the 1960s, which enjoyed a brief revival in the mid-seventies.  It featured 'Man from the Ministry" John Steed who was supposedly thrown out of Eton for fighting with classmate and school bully James Bond.  Steed was allied with a number of attractive females including Honor Blackman and Dame Diana Rigg.  They were both karate experts.  Steed didn't do much fighting - he would trip the baddies up with his brolly so one of his girls could kick them unconscious. Though sometimes he would whack people over the head with his bowler, which was lined with armour plate and deflected bullets.

 

I was more of an Honor man because she looked like she could handle herself better than Dame Diana did.

 

The series became an advert for British fashion.  There would be gratuitous shots of Dame Diana's shoes, for instance.

Interestingly, as a US denizen, my only exposure to the Avengers was the Grant Morrison comic (Steed and Mrs. Peel) and its recent revival.

I guess because of the popularity of British comic book creators over here, some of their subjects, which are occasionally specifically British cultural touchstones, make their way into our comic book market.


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First our declining morals slid, bit by bit, and then our very national spirit.  Then the collapse became greater and greater, and our principles began to go, until at last, it has come to this age, in which we can bear neither our crimes nor the cure for them.

 
 

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 07:52 AM

Saved my life. Without the NHS I would have certainly have died in infancy. My old Dad couldn’t have afforded the operation I needed. He would have faced the horror of burying me in a tiny coffin. Thanks, Clem.

You have to ask what Britain would be like without him. Lower life expectancy, terrible infant mortality, slum housing, mass poverty.

 

That's precisely the way the country was going because of Attlee and the rest. Without the descent into dismal decay and failure that that worst of all governments initiated after the war, and that we didn't begin to overcome until May 1979, your Dad would probably have lived in a considerably better functioning and more prosperous society and you'd most likely have been fine.


It's interesting though to note that the NHS is actually the brainchild of a Conservative minister, Henry Willink. Even so it has become a massive black hole for taxpayers' cash, it is grossly inefficient and because it's a sort of untouchable sacred cow, it's going to be a long time before it can be reformed properly.

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Henry_Willink



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Posted 17 September 2018 - 08:54 PM

That's precisely the way the country was going because of Attlee and the rest. Without the descent into dismal decay and failure that that worst of all governments initiated after the war, and that we didn't begin to overcome until May 1979, your Dad would probably have lived in a considerably better functioning and more prosperous society and you'd most likely have been fine.

It's interesting though to note that the NHS is actually the brainchild of a Conservative minister, Henry Willink. Even so it has become a massive black hole for taxpayers' cash, it is grossly inefficient and because it's a sort of untouchable sacred cow, it's going to be a long time before it can be reformed properly.
 
https://en.wikipedia...i/Henry_Willink


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Posted 18 September 2018 - 12:09 PM

Monarch - Richard III (bwah ha ha ha)

 

Woman:  Catherine Zeta-Jones

 

Best postwar PM - No idea

 

Shakespeare play -  Hamlet

 

Dickens novel - David Copperfield

 

Album - Revolver

 

Rock band - Beatles

 

Science fiction TV series -no idea

 

Avengers girl - no idea

 

Doctor Who - no idea

 

Aircraft - Spitfire

 

Fashion -  Black Sabbath

 

Game of Thrones actor - no idea


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