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#1 Slim

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:42 PM

If, like me, you've been dismayed by the resurgence of the Flat Earthers this last few years, you may like an opportunity to have a bit of light relief at their expense.


A YouTuber who goes by the handle Cool Hard Logic has made a number of very well presented and entertaining video presentations examining and exposing irrational beliefs, and I thoroughly recommend the Testing Flattards series. Part 1 here.

 

 

The one good thing about the Flat Earth phenomenon is that articles and videos about it like this which put it under rational scrutiny from a scientific perspective are quite interesting and educational in their own right.



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Posted 14 September 2018 - 10:25 PM

Great!

#3 Moving Target

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 11:28 AM

It’s the moon-landing deniers who make me truly sad. Including my own stepkids. It’s not their fault, it’s crap schooling. They are taught to pass exams, not think.

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 11:41 AM

I have trouble believing flat-earthers aren't just trolling everyone. How unbelievably stupid can you be?


Hey there goes Alex. He's loaded with money. Wow he's really set himself up great.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 06:19 PM

When the president of the Flat Earth Society died, I thought that was it. Flat Earth is over.

I know a couple, just across the street now who have home schooled their kids, and do indeed believe that the Earth is flat, Moon Landings never happened, photos of Saturn and from the surface of Mars are CGI. The whole bit.  It's scary. 

I do my best to wear one of my NASA shirts when I know we'll meet up outside.  ;)


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 06:48 PM

So...what's the draw here for Flat-Earthers? Do they feel somehow disenfranchised by a spherical Earth? Do they just want attention? Is this a religious thing, similar to Earth being the center of the universe because the bible says so?


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#7 chemistry1973

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 06:51 PM

Chem trails, loose change, pizza gate...Paul is dead, Kennedy, Loch Ness, Aliens...

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:27 PM

So...what's the draw here for Flat-Earthers? Do they feel somehow disenfranchised by a spherical Earth? Do they just want attention? Is this a religious thing, similar to Earth being the center of the universe because the bible says so?


I don't know. I've tried to get to the bottom of it with folks like this from time to time. When I ask questions about why they think what they do, and what the underlying evidence is, it leads to circular arguments and reasoning on their part. Self-referencing, fuzzy thinking is what I call it.

 


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:27 PM

I've seen people referring to a failure of education, but I think it's more than that. The World Wide Web may be a fabulous medium for distributing useful and valuable information, but it has also turned into a sort of high-speed lymphatic system for stupid and baseless ideas to spread like contagious viruses and infect the vulnerable parts of the body politic.

 

Add to this the fact that anyone with a digital camera, a modicum of talent and a PC can make their content as well-presented as any TV programme could have been a few years ago, and the authors of these idiotic beliefs and worldviews can easily lend to them a misleading veneer of professional credibility that they don't deserve.

 

The Internet has become a Disinformation Superhighway.

 

This same phenomenon has allowed the political homeopaths of the socialist far left to take over what was once a mainstream political party. They constantly circulate the same ignorant, baseless and malicious bollocks around social media like chimpanzees recycling their own flatulence.



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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:47 PM

So...what's the draw here for Flat-Earthers? Do they feel somehow disenfranchised by a spherical Earth? Do they just want attention? Is this a religious thing, similar to Earth being the center of the universe because the bible says so?

I actually had a flat-earth kid in one of my classes.  That made talking about Eratosthenes of Egypt (an ancient Greek mathematician from the First Century)  who calculated the circumference of the world, or the ancient philosophers like Democritus and Xeno who accepted as fact a spherical earth, or how the Romans referred to the earth as the "orbis terrarum," the "sphere of lands."  

I think this particular brand of stupid happens because conspiratorial thinking gets mixed in with general ignorance of history, the scientific method, or the concept of scale.


labente deinde paulatim disciplina velut desidentes primo mores sequatur animo, deinde ut magis magisque lapsi sint, tum ire coeperint praecipites, donec ad haec tempora quibus nec vitia nostra nec remedia pati possumus perventum est.

 

First our declining morals slid, bit by bit, and then our very national spirit.  Then the collapse became greater and greater, and our principles began to go, until at last, it has come to this age, in which we can bear neither our crimes nor the cure for them.

 
 

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:45 PM

I can’t imagine these people have any kind of real, value-add job...or, in the case of that student, all hope may already be lost for gainful future employment. They are either mentally ill or just flat out bored.

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:31 PM

I think they're just simpletons. Even if they know how to look at stuff on a comp or phone.

As I get older, I try to think that different people have different strengths. Not sure what that might be in these cases though.

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#13 chemistry1973

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 01:33 AM

I think they're just simpletons. Even if they know how to look at stuff on a comp or phone.

As I get older, I try to think that different people have different strengths. Not sure what that might be in these cases though.


Retard strength.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 07:37 AM

I've seen people referring to a failure of education, but I think it's more than that. The World Wide Web may be a fabulous medium for distributing useful and valuable information, but it has also turned into a sort of high-speed lymphatic system for stupid and baseless ideas to spread like contagious viruses and infect the vulnerable parts of the body politic.

Add to this the fact that anyone with a digital camera, a modicum of talent and a PC can make their content as well-presented as any TV programme could have been a few years ago, and the authors of these idiotic beliefs and worldviews can easily lend to them a misleading veneer of professional credibility that they don't deserve.

The Internet has become a Disinformation Superhighway.

This same phenomenon has allowed the political homeopaths of the socialist far left to take over what was once a mainstream political party. They constantly circulate the same ignorant, baseless and malicious bollocks around social media like chimpanzees recycling their own flatulence.

I now have a picture in my head of a chimp with a length of hose up its bum, sucking on the other end.

I don’t blame the youngsters for rejecting capitalism. They can’t get any capital. I took out a mortgage of £40K for my first place. That’s just the deposit now.

Sadly they are tired of the technocrat politicians such as Blair and Cameron and seek someone “authentic” - hence the Pied Pier Corbyn. If only they had intellectual, capable socialists like Attlee, Bevan, Wilson and Healy for comparison, they would see the old fraud for exactly what he is. Now he is an ace away from becoming PM. That really would be a world turned upside down.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 11:35 PM

I've just seen a YouTube video that takes stupid to a whole new level. It's actually upset me a little bit.

 

There are people out there who believe that the various governments are secretly spraying dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere every day. When you see a contrail or a (hey) vapour trail streaming behind an aircraft at altitude or streaky white clouds, that's what it is.

 

I knew about those people already.

 

But what I didn't know was that some of them think you can dissipate these clouds of vapour, 20,000+ feet up, by boiling a pot of vinegar in your back garden. Or spraying it in the general direction of the sky with a hand-held garden sprayer. It makes the wispy clouds and the chemtrails go away.

 

 

 



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Posted 17 September 2018 - 12:06 AM

If you dance a certain way with some conviction you can make it rain too.


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#17 AsIfToFly

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 01:11 AM

Yeah what else could possibly make a contrail break up after 20 minutes?

#18 chemistry1973

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 04:53 PM

I've just seen a YouTube video that takes stupid to a whole new level. It's actually upset me a little bit.

 

There are people out there who believe that the various governments are secretly spraying dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere every day. When you see a contrail or a (hey) vapour trail streaming behind an aircraft at altitude or streaky white clouds, that's what it is.

 

I knew about those people already.

 

But what I didn't know was that some of them think you can dissipate these clouds of vapour, 20,000+ feet up, by boiling a pot of vinegar in your back garden. Or spraying it in the general direction of the sky with a hand-held garden sprayer. It makes the wispy clouds and the chemtrails go away.

 

 

 

The comment sections are brilliant.



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Posted 18 September 2018 - 01:33 PM

This came up in my feed this morning. False beliefs are perhaps encouraged.

https://www.sciencea...e-beliefs-stick


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 03:05 AM

I've actually been following the flat earth "discussions" for a couple years now.  Obviously, I don't ascribe to the FE views, and I certainly don't watch their videos directly.  I don't want to give them the views that would generate some revenue.

 

And that, I think, may be why the FE movement is gathering such steam - the bigger names (Jeranism, Nathan Oakley, D. Marble, Mark Sargent, etc) are quite possibly making a living from this.  Basically, modern day sideshow hucksters, bilking the naive and credulous of some money - monetizing their YT channel, setting up Patreon accounts, and so on.  I strongly suspect that many of these people don't really believe the earth is flat.  The big problem is the people that don't know better, those who are gullible enough to believe whatever someone says that validates their own views - or "explains" in a simplified way (albeit completely wrong) stuff that is too difficult to follow due to math, not being able to visualize in three dimensions, or not having any concept of just how big the planet is.

 

Edit:  Aside from CoolHardLogic, other good channels to watch, if you're interested, are: GreaterSapien, SciManDan, Wolfie6020, VoysovReason, Conspiracy Catz, and others.  Wolfie is an Aussie commercial pilot, and uses a lot of his flying knowledge to try to teach people why the flat earth is wrong.  Which is interesting, in a way, since there are many flat earthers who don't think Australia even exists.  Since the most commonly used flat earth "map" goes all whacko south of the equator, it's easier for FE'ers to deny Oz's existence than it is to reconcile that real-world travel distances and times can't possibly work on their map.

 

I've heard them say that gravity doesn't exist (it's all density and bouyancy, or that the flat earth is accelerating upwards at 32 feet per second squared), water is not made of two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen, that the space shuttle was just a big helium balloon, and that chemtrails are for hiding the firmament (the "dome").  And it just gets more ridiculous from there.


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