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#61 The Enemy Within

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:00 AM

Read the whole thing. Ample reasons to reject the Leftist/Islamic alliance and why they are strange totalitarian bedfellows....



Reason enough to not take Ronnie, Reb, and MT very seriously when they speak about Islam.

Trying to lay all the blame on a leftist/islamic alliance, somewhat over eggs the pudding, does it not?

It also fails to recognise the real root cause of Islamist terrorism spreading from the middle east, The House of Saud!

Western Governments should accept that the monster was created when they agreed to turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's other major export, Wahhabism as part of the bargain guaranteeing a stable supply of oil.

The Saudi's could stop the flow of extremism to the west, just as easily as they can stop the flow of oil.

The question we should all be asking ourselves is why our governments choose to perpetuate this unholy alliance...

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 10:55 AM

For a greater insight into the myriad of divergent threads that have led to the rise of Islamist extremism and terrorism, Adam Curtis's thought provoking BBC documentary Bitter Lake is highly recommended. He is known for his experimental approach to film making and the full version is both informative and mediative visually as well as in the narrative. The link below has some audio issues for the first 3 minutes or so.




For those who would prefer something more condensed, focusing mainly on factual detail, an edited version can be viewed here.



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:14 PM

26 Christians slaughtered in Egypt bus attack.

 

"Thoughts and prayers," blah blah blah.

 

"We just need to love them," blah blah blah.

 

"Hopefully this doesn't lead to Islamophobia," blah blah blah.

 

"We won't let the terrorists win," blah blah blah.

 

Let's continue with the empty platitudes. Let's continue to call Islam a religion of peace. Let's not name the enemy. Let's keep our heads in the sand. Heaven forbid we ever get called Islamophobic. Put yourself on that bus for a minute.


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#64 GhostWriter

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:23 PM

Trying to lay all the blame on a leftist/islamic alliance, somewhat over eggs the pudding, does it not?

It also fails to recognise the real root cause of Islamist terrorism spreading from the middle east, The House of Saud!

Western Governments should accept that the monster was created when they agreed to turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's other major export, Wahhabism as part of the bargain guaranteeing a stable supply of oil.

The Saudi's could stop the flow of extremism to the west, just as easily as they can stop the flow of oil.

The question we should all be asking ourselves is why our governments choose to perpetuate this unholy alliance...

 

I blame Islam first, complicit leftists second for defending such a horrid ideology of dominance and submission.

 

The House of Saud is a bit player. Islam, the doctrine of its prophet Mohammed, is to blame, for its violence predates the House of Saud by centuries.  It has been a major cause of strife in the world since its inception.

 

But I completely agree with your last sentiment. The West should cut all ties to the Saudis. 

 

(Can't view your videos at work but will watch them over the weekend).


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#65 GhostWriter

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:14 PM

Whoa. Check out this white supremacist who agrees with me. Man, what a vile white-supremacist.

 

 

 

 

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#66 The Macallan

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 02:54 PM

Reasonable sentiment

When asked about growing Islamophobia across Europe, he said there are “individuals and small groups who kill each other, they do not represent the entire Islam and all Muslims.”

 

 

Reasonable goal

“And morally speaking, I think that refugees can only be taken in on a temporary basis. The goal should be to return them and help them to rebuild their own countries,” he added.

 

 

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#67 Three Eyes

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:09 PM

26 Christians slaughtered in Egypt bus attack.

 

"Thoughts and prayers," blah blah blah.

 

"We just need to love them," blah blah blah.

 

"Hopefully this doesn't lead to Islamophobia," blah blah blah.

 

"We won't let the terrorists win," blah blah blah.

 

Let's continue with the empty platitudes. Let's continue to call Islam a religion of peace. Let's not name the enemy. Let's keep our heads in the sand. Heaven forbid we ever get called Islamophobic. Put yourself on that bus for a minute.

 

Dude, this happened because of the brutal Coptic Christian occupation of Egypt, bruh.


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Hey there goes Alex. He's loaded with money. Wow he's really set himself up great.


#68 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 09:18 PM

I blame Islam first, complicit leftists second for defending such a horrid ideology of dominance and submission.

 

The House of Saud is a bit player. Islam, the doctrine of its prophet Mohammed, is to blame, for its violence predates the House of Saud by centuries.  It has been a major cause of strife in the world since its inception.

Still a collectivist, I see.

I thought conservatism was about "personal responsibility" and treating everyone as an individual.

Knuckle-dragging hypocrite.


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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

Islam was actually quite chilled out between the end of the Ottoman Empire and the seventies.

After that time an aggressive Arab nationalism emerged, with the poisonous ideologies of Salafism and Wahabhism being exported by the petroleum-plutocrats' pals the Saudis. Then the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the US started arming the religious nutters, but didn't stay to win the peace. Some investment into Afghan infrastructure in the early nineties could have spared a lot of pain later on.

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 10:14 AM

Terrorist funded by student loans.

http://www.telegraph...-loan-benefits/

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 03:58 PM

Islam was actually quite chilled out between the end of the Ottoman Empire and the seventies.

After that time an aggressive Arab nationalism emerged, with the poisonous ideologies of Salafism and Wahabhism being exported by the petroleum-plutocrats' pals the Saudis. Then the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the US started arming the religious nutters, but didn't stay to win the peace. Some investment into Afghan infrastructure in the early nineties could have spared a lot of pain later on.

 

I buy most of this, but the last bit is pretty speculative.  Afghanistan seems to be a poison pill to anyone that messes around there.  I'm not sure what a successful Afghanistan policy would have looked like for the U.S. in the 1980s.


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#72 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 28 May 2017 - 12:25 AM

A successful policy anywhere that's a shithole with mass poverty (and the religious and political extremism such environments breed) is to attempt to alleviate the poverty.

People with better qualities of life (read as: something to lose by rattling the status quo) are less likely to use bombs and bullets to solve their problems.



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Posted 28 May 2017 - 02:27 AM

A successful policy anywhere that's a shithole with mass poverty (and the religious and political extremism such environments breed) is to attempt to alleviate the poverty.

People with better qualities of life (read as: something to lose by rattling the status quo) are less likely to use bombs and bullets to solve their problems.

 

Agree.  I just don't always know if it's poverty or powerlessness (there is a difference).  Men still join the mafia who have a lot to lose.  In fact I think that's the mindset you need to study.  Who joins the mafia?  Probably vast similarities there.  No easy explanation but yes, the poor who have nothing to lose, definitely a factor.






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