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#21 GhostWriter

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:31 AM

From a 2016 issue of Dabiq, the official magazine of ISIS

 

 

 

Checkmate. Submission is the end game and always will be.


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#22 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:37 AM

ISIS's official encyclicals are a trustworthy source for their intent, eh?  
At the end of the day, what matters isn't why their leadership or public face hate us, anyway.

What matters is what actions we take that encourage individuals who would otherwise not be sympathetic with the lunatic fringe to ally with them.  Our foreign policy is that, easily.
The average Iraqi villager doesn't give a shit about our bikinis and blasphemy, as long as he can put food on the table.  He might mock us or whatever, but it's not until one of our drones fucks up and bombs his cousin's wedding that he decides it's worth it to take up arms and join the local fundamentalist militia.

And attitudes like yours, that obsessively underscore the inherent "otherness" of our resident Muslims, only serves to drive those resident Muslims into the arms of the only group that does support them and offers a clear narrative: the likes of Daesh.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:55 AM


From a 2016 issue of Dabiq, the official magazine of ISIS


I agree that much of that is what motivates extremist resistance to the west. But this type of extremism is only 40 years old at the most. It's proportionate to our military involvement in the region. So while this wahabbi, or Sunni radical might have their specific reasons, or reasoning, the general response has been to our collective invasions.

Despite what a zealot might say, a person needs more than sole devotion to a religion. There are other factors that drive someone to assume a war footing and go on a suicidal rampage. Fanaticism by definition requires other extraneous factors than just belief.

So much of what this is to me is propaganda. I mean certainly many Americans can't even explain our own foreign policy with any accuracy. Even the most fervent supporters of foreign ME intervention struggle to qualify it with much logic.

Are we fighting crazed fanatics? Yes. Do they exist because of other important factors aside from their religion. Most definitely.

These attacks help the current war effort, because it will justify new forays into terrible shit we do. And that in turn, will justify more horrific attacks in the West against innocent people.

The solution is a drawdown in western intervention and an economic approach to solving these problems.

Perhaps sanctions against the nations that fund our enemies but also play roles as allies to the west: Saudi, Qatar...perhaps if the US wasn't such a tasty regional enemy then the problem might solve itself.
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#24 chemistry1973

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:00 AM

Checkmate. Submission is the end game and always will be.


Which is EXACTLY how the fanatics justify their attacks.

Round and round we go!

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:50 AM

ISIS's official encyclicals are a trustworthy source for their intent, eh?  
At the end of the day, what matters isn't why their leadership or public face hate us, anyway.

What matters is what actions we take that encourage individuals who would otherwise not be sympathetic with the lunatic fringe to ally with them.  Our foreign policy is that, easily.
The average Iraqi villager doesn't give a shit about our bikinis and blasphemy, as long as he can put food on the table.  He might mock us or whatever, but it's not until one of our drones fucks up and bombs his cousin's wedding that he decides it's worth it to take up arms and join the local fundamentalist militia.

And attitudes like yours, that obsessively underscore the inherent "otherness" of our resident Muslims, only serves to drive those resident Muslims into the arms of the only group that does support them and offers a clear narrative: the likes of Daesh.

 

So if the list had American foreign policy at the top you'd give it more credence? It's not good enough to simply be on the list? It has to be their primary motivation?

 

Anyway, it doesn't actually matter where it is on the list or whether ISIS is telling the truth about any of it. The point is, they are using Muhammad's playbook to justify every vile act they've ever committed. I don't think anyone denies that western foreign policy has been a contributing factor to the emergence of groups like theirs but let's get real: ISIS kills many more Muslims than western powers do. Tell me, what recruiting points are scored by burning non-Muslim women alive who've refused to be their sex slaves? What sympathy is garnered by dipping fellow Muslims into vats of acid? Did American foreign policy make them do these things too? 


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:12 PM

Here's a photo of Trafalgar Square and all the "moderate Muslims" out protesting yesterday's terror attack and calling for peace:

 

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#27 Moving Target

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

Clearly we need to keep bombing them.


Seems to be an indigenous Briton. You'd have to bomb Birmingham.

MI5 are really good at disrupting plots involving explosives and firearms but what can you do about a bloke who rents a car and buys a kitchen knife?

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:56 PM

Here's a photo of Trafalgar Square and all the "moderate Muslims" out protesting yesterday's terror attack and calling for peace:


Give them 24 hours to get organised! That gathering is tonight. Mayor Khan is going to speak. Look again then, if the Mail Online bothers to show it, which I expect they won't.
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#29 chemistry1973

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:06 PM

Seems to be an indigenous Briton. You'd have to bomb Birmingham.

MI5 are really good at disrupting plots involving explosives and firearms but what can you do about a bloke who rents a car and buys a kitchen knife?


Isis has claimed responsibility. I was doing a bad job of being sarcastic.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:39 PM

Holding vigils for the slaughtered is part and parcel to living in a large city.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:03 PM

Seems to be an indigenous Briton. You'd have to bomb Birmingham.

MI5 are really good at disrupting plots involving explosives and firearms but what can you do about a bloke who rents a car and buys a kitchen knife?

 

The attacker has been identified as Kent-born Khalid Masood 52.

 

https://www.theguard...t-six-addresses



#32 The Macallan

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:04 PM

One of the victims was an American tourist. He was walking on the bridge with his wife. She sustained injuries as well, but will recover. 

 

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but a bit of relevance to this board... :(

 

http://www.telegraph...er-named-keith/

 

 

In a 2014 interview with a local newspaper about his business, he spoke about his background.

He said that he "grew up in Maryland, lived in Texas for a while, then ended up in Salt Lake City in 1983."

Mr Cochran was also a big rock music fan, explaining: "As I grew older, hard rock/heavy metal took over as my favorite genres, like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Rush and Aerosmith."


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#33 Moving Target

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:58 PM


Checkmate. Submission is the end game and always will be.


Ok, so ISIL is the same as Islam? If so, I assume that you believe that the KKK is the same as Christianity, and the Aum cult is the same as Buddhism. If not, why not?
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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:17 PM

Here's a photo of Trafalgar Square and all the "moderate Muslims" out protesting yesterday's terror attack and calling for peace:
 


It's happening now. Check it out on Twitter. Plenty of brown faces already.
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#35 The Enemy Within

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:30 PM

Here's a link to Muslim leaders condemning the attack in a UK national newspaper

 

https://www.theguard...y-london-attack

 

Methinks you were perhaps indulging in a little news fakery with the caption and photo below.

 

Here's a photo of Trafalgar Square and all the "moderate Muslims" out protesting yesterday's terror attack and calling for peace:

 

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#36 GhostWriter

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:44 PM

Ok, so ISIL is the same as Islam? If so, I assume that you believe that the KKK is the same as Christianity, and the Aum cult is the same as Buddhism. If not, why not?

 

Islam means submission. Every single Muslim knows this. They just have different means by which to bring it about but it is a fundamental tenet. They are to bring all infidels into submission to Allah; by force if necessary as taught in both the Koran and by their prophet.

 

Christianity believes in praying for those outside of the faith and there is no teaching by which to force conversion upon unbelievers and to live peaceably among all men. (there are only about 2000 kkk members in the US so it's not even a relevant group. Their view of racial superiority goes against what the Bible teaches, whereas jihad is taught by the Koran).


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#37 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:13 PM

Holding vigils for the slaughtered is part and parcel to living in a large city.

DJTJr, is that you?



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:15 PM

Here's a link to Muslim leaders condemning the attack in a UK national newspaper

 

https://www.theguard...y-london-attack

 

Methinks you were perhaps indulging in a little news fakery with the caption and photo below.

 

Lol. It was a joke; with a point. I just googled 'trafalgar square empty'. Now, I didn't bother posting the stuff from the BBC or Al Jazeera where when news of the incident broke many many Muslim posters were singing the perps praises and saying Allah Akbar; or any of the thousands of tweets praising the attack. Glad to know there are a few out there that might be appalled by it all. But really, little good it's doing to curb what's going on. 

 

Will any of these "Brits" be attending today?

 

https://youtu.be/Pb2_tG8B4dM


It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion.

- Francis Bacon

 


#39 A Rebel and a Runner

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:16 PM

Christianity believes in praying for those outside of the faith and there is no teaching by which to force conversion upon unbelievers and to live peaceably among all men.

Benefits of your scriptures being written at a time when the Christians were a persecuted minority.

A more appropriate comparison to Islam would be Judaism, which were written in much more similar circumstances. And look quite similar.  

If it weren't for the oppression of the Romans, I guarantee your Christian scripture would be as loathesome as any Islamic or Jewish ones. Hell, just look at what the Christians did after ascending to power centuries later. Could you imagine a Bible written at the ame time as the Maleus Malificarum? 



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:44 PM

Holding vigils for the slaughtered is part and parcel to living in a large city.

Yep, some people will needlessly die in the name of Allah.  Just hope it's not those we care about so we can be artificially enraged...


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