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#1 timbale

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:49 PM

So, the bit they're doing with the amps...

 

I understand with Geddy that he hasn't been playing with an amp for many years, so if he's running a direct signal (through some pre-amp thingy I guess) to the board, it doesn't matter what funny business they do with the amps changing through the show.

 

But it made me curious - what is Alex actually playing through?  Anybody know how that it working on his side of the stage?  He's not going direct surely?!

 

 

(and as a side note, did anyone else notice that Geddy's Ampeg stacks have "dirk" written on them?)


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:55 PM

But it made me curious - what is Alex actually playing through?  Anybody know how that it working on his side of the stage?  He's not going direct surely?!

 

Probably a vintage Fender Twin Reverb in a plexiglass box, with one nice mic, behind the fake amps somewhere.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 04:20 PM

This was his CA setup. I suspect similar for R40.

 

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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:46 AM

Yes, Alex plays through the amp heads, into speaker simulators that go right to the PA system.  No more cabinets for him.  I know this is a great, clean approach but you can't get any stage feedback if you want some.



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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:56 AM

Yeah, but stage noise has always been a huge problem. I was 4th row, Alex's side for the CP tour. I heard nearly NOTHING all night, but Alex.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:05 AM

Yeah, but stage noise has always been a huge problem. I was 4th row, Alex's side for the CP tour. I heard nearly NOTHING all night, but Alex.

 

Yes, and now they have these small units on the edge of the stage facing out so the front rows can actually hear anything.  Interesting paradigm.  I think, with nothing coming from the stage except acoustic drums it does work out for most of the arena.  I do think the people in the first few rows lose a lot of bass response hearing the band out of those tiny drivers.  Sure there is some ambiance coming from the main PA, but if you look at the logistics, the front few rows can actually be seated behind the PA mains that are hung above.  Best sound is mid-floor dead center, no question.

 

I'd like to see bands run a balanced stage, real amplifiers, and yes, like the old days, a cabinet on each other's side, so you'll hear bass on Alex's side and Guitar on Geddy's side.  They could still use their rigs backstage to get out to the PA mains, but just have a little fill, to match the drums on stage.  Nothing crazy.  There are times you want natural feedback too.  That helps with expression.



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Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:07 AM

Yes, Alex plays through the amp heads, into speaker simulators that go right to the PA system.  No more cabinets for him.  I know this is a great, clean approach but you can't get any stage feedback if you want some.

 

Triggered samples to the rescue! Listen to the live versions of Stick it Out...


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 03:12 AM

Triggered samples to the rescue! Listen to the live versions of Stick it Out...

 

^^^True story. Sounds especially odd when they have the feedback sample too loud.


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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:51 PM

Triggered samples to the rescue! Listen to the live versions of Stick it Out...

 

Yes, sadly.  Limelight solo, though no samples, can sound sterile too this way.



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Posted 29 June 2015 - 02:17 PM

^^^True story. Sounds especially odd when they have the feedback sample too loud.

What gave it away to me was that the feedback never varied...each time was a perfect duplication of the previous.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:03 AM

how does he trigger the feedback sample?

 

foot pedal?

 

or does it fukkin rely on notes he plays

What gave it away to me was that the feedback never varied...each time was a perfect duplication of the previous.



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:18 AM

how does he trigger the feedback sample?

foot pedal?

or does it fukkin rely on notes he plays


Foot pedal. He did the same thing with Stick It Out. If you listen with headphones to one of the soundboard boots of the CP tour, on the opening/verse riff, he triggers a duplicate note on the last sustained note of each line. One sustains, the other has feedback. I'm assuming the feedback is triggered.

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:22 AM

gotcha



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:02 AM

gotcha

The question remains, was it Alex triggering it, or Geddy? I know Geddy triggered the 2nd lead guitar line in Driven.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:13 AM

The question remains, was it Alex triggering it, or Geddy? I know Geddy triggered the 2nd lead guitar line in Driven.

And the answer is.......

Geddy (at least in the vid below)

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:13 AM


Hey...where's Perry?


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 02:14 AM

And the answer is.......

Geddy (at least in the vid below)

Kinda' what I figured.
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